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hyojungssDisclaimer that I'm not actually good at typing and I don't fully understand all the functions, but this will be a collection of what I've learned so far and resources etc.
RISA YOUR OBSESSION WITH PERSONAL HISTORY
My first experience with MBTI was a middle school friend who was really into it and had me take a bunch of tests. I got infj (11/22/10) and looking through my gmail they first learned it through the letters (J = judging etc). As recently as 2016 I took the 16p test (yuck) and wasnt sure between "infp and infj" because you know the perceiving/judging metric... I feel like that friend did come to learn functions but never typed me as anything else.
Sep 2018 frog and I were talking about omgeol mbti and it turned into a discussion of my type
ISTJ BY THE FUNCTIONS
Si Te Fi Ne
Si: Dominant function is introverted sensing. I compare current experiences to past ones. I am very detail oriented and can notice a change from what was there before easily. I value systems and tend towards tradition or established norms, and find it easier to do things when i have done them routinely. Every item i have is associated with a memory and my own feelings, which makes it harder to let go of what I have and am used to.
I used to keep an online journal of all my thoughts so I could go back and read them later. Now I use twitter to achieve the same purpose and only use the diary for really personal feelings. I really value being able to search through a database of past work to see what I did or felt (that journal, my twitter archive, my school notes from the last 4 years, letters from friends, saved chats). I'm not super neat because I'm lazy but I do well if I know where I put things, so when I do organize my room I make sure to place things practically and utilize labels to make sure I return things to where they belong. I have a really hard time throwing things away and I find it really hard to have the courage to leave home and family because I am so used to living this way. I'm super uncomfortable going to a new place for the first time, and I always ask people with experience doing something what it was like so that I can be prepared. I hate being caught off-guard because I'm not very good at improvising. An example of a job I idealize is quality checking, which is about having a set of standards that you need to make sure the current product lives up to.
Te: Auxiliary function is extroverted thinking. I take in data and analyze it to reach conclusions. I value efficiency and getting things done, even at the expense of total accuracy.
I keep a checklist of the assignments i need to do and I am the most overwhelmed when there's a lot left to do. The way I cope with this is accomplishing the easiest work first, so that I can cross it off the list. I also love setting up systems or excel spreadsheets so that if done correctly, data can be inputted the same way each time and be processed quickly. I also have a habit of micromanaging other people LOL it's because I want them to do things...
Fi: Tertiary function is introverted feeling. I know what I feel and make decisions based on that - I will not compromise for the sake of the group.
This is harder to pinpoint, but like in the examples from my trip with frog it really seems to come down to knowing what the bounds of my personal comfort are and acting within them? Like I know what situations I'm best in and will try to avoid doing anything else. In general I am a people-pleaser/I find it really stressful to think that someone won't like me or that I've hurt someone else, although I think there is an element of pride in this too. I would rather give up something I want than cause conflict or make someone else unhappy, and I don't want to be selfish, but I rationalize this by saying that what I'm losing isn't that bad and what I will have left is still good.
Ne: Inferior function is extroverted intuition. This is my weakest function - Ne is about imagining new possibilities and creativity, wanting new experiences.
I rarely want new experiences LOL. I like traveling a lot for vacation and being able to try new foods, but the thought of upending my life to live somewhere new is still terrifying. I couldn't do a job where I had to travel 24/7. My creativity is uhhh lacking LOL, I think you can really see this in the limited situations where I have to draw something. Whenever I doodled in class it would literally just be the same basic things that I knew how to draw (pine trees, palm trees, very tangible and basic objects). I made so many fortune tellers and origami lilies because it's just the exact same folds every time. This is not to say that I'm not creative at all because as a kid I did sooo many arts and crafts (beading, scrapbooking) and I also did some design work for the newspaper and magazine at school but I think you can tell with the choice of what I did that I like to have something tangible to work off of and that I really struggle to imagine new designs out of thin air. In my writing, I absolutely cannot write brand-new stories or fantasy, most of what I write is based on personal experiences or feelings and day-to-day actions.
General ISTJ-isms: I am very past-oriented in general and am really obsessed with how things used to be. I hate open-ended assignments and I work better with details than with the big picture. That question always tripped me up as a middle schooler until I realized it myself (are you better with big picture or small details? it's absolutely the details). I really like to do crosswords (Si: memory recall, Te: logical strategies, Ne: make connections and experiment with possibilities) although I'm a slow learner, and something like Spelling Bee (given 7 letters, form as many words as you can) is really hard and I suspect that's because of my horrible Ne. I just cannot reach into the void and pull out all the possibilities... I'm the type who when given a problem with lots of options has to write down every possible combination algorithmically to test them which is obviously not an efficient way to play that game. I'm pretty sure that crossword clues rely harder on Si! I also like logic grid puzzles and LSAT logic games so much, which is again playing with a limited set of possibilities and ruling them out in order. LSAT ones are way harder tho because they can have infinite possibilities and theoretically you have to narrow them down/make connections in a limited amt of time. But they're really fun :)
Resources:
Type in Mind
Practical Typing
OTHER SIMILAR CHARACTERS
I love reading Personality Database comments! u have to take them with a grain of salt because some people do not know what they're talking about either but it's fun to see the types people give characters, especially/only if they give actual evidence. Honestly this has been the biggest help for me learning the functions, I have been visiting this website occasionally for a while but as time goes on the discourse gets better and more reliable LOL
ISTJ (Si-Te) is most similar to ISFJ (Si-Fe) and ESTJ (Te-Si) and I found that a lot of characters I like are these personality types. Not all but many!
1. I really love Annie Edison from Community (likely ISFJ) and have always overidentified with her... she's really organized and driven, has everything "planned out", always wants to get things done both for grades and for the committees she works for, but also cares a lot about her friends to the point where she'd sabotage their grades just so they could stay in the same study group T___T --> hates it when things change. This quote will always stick with me forever:
Troy: You're a fierce competitor and a sore loser. And you expect everybody to be better than who they are and you expect yourself to be better than everyone.
It's from an episode where she freaks out about borrowing a fake ID and getting caught so she makes up a life story about the girl on the ID and pretends to be her at the bar, only to realize that she doesn't know who she really is.
2. Hyojung (ESFJ) is my actual omgeol bias but Binnie (ISFJ) is the one that I overidentify with. I wrote this document 2 yrs ago on all the little Binnie-isms that I love but to take the main points, she's really obsessed with staying organized. She sorts her socks by color and freaks out when they're not in order LMAOOO girl also literally said one of her weaknesses is that she "isn't adaptable enough", and for her strength "thanks to my personality being thorough and not liking to hurt others, I'm good at keeping promises" also if that wasn't enough she's iconic for saying she's a dried fish (= no interest in dating) <3 also she said she would confess first but has never liked someone enough to <3 also for my reference frog's omgeol mbti post
3. In One Piece for example, there are a lot of ISTJ and ISFJ characters who are in the navy (ex. Smoker and Tashigi), and that makes sense because Si-doms really thrive under structure which is what the navy is all about (even though it's corrupt). I think the good ones are interested in "changing it from the inside" so to speak. Pirates live very carefree in comparison! This is an interesting case because those two work as a team, and stereotypically it seems that ISFJ characters are really kindhearted sweet people and ISTJs are cold and mean asdkfjldf and that def shows with them
4. Some other misc. characters for my own reference:
ISTJ: sayaka (kakegurui), nene & hisako (shokugeki), kyouka (bsd), riza hawkeye (fmab), peko (dr2).... megumi (jjk), kageyama (hq)
ISFJ: pam (the office), yaoyorozu (bnha).... megumi (shokugeki), yachi (hq)
ESTJ: kunikida (bsd), nobara & maki (jjk)
ESFJ: midori (tamako market), cher (clueless)
hmm and we have tsukki and todoroki who might both be intj... omg i looked up anne of green gables who i really adore and she is xnfp and tbh I think I was like her when I was younger (way more imaginative and stubborn). jun (seventeen) is also xnfp, both leaning enfp (ne fi te si)
also saving this thread of svt pd comments here because jeonghan is xsfj
RISA YOUR OBSESSION WITH PERSONAL HISTORY
My first experience with MBTI was a middle school friend who was really into it and had me take a bunch of tests. I got infj (11/22/10) and looking through my gmail they first learned it through the letters (J = judging etc). As recently as 2016 I took the 16p test (yuck) and wasnt sure between "infp and infj" because you know the perceiving/judging metric... I feel like that friend did come to learn functions but never typed me as anything else.
Sep 2018 frog and I were talking about omgeol mbti and it turned into a discussion of my type
- me: i want to retake mbti but it'll just be weird if i end up not being what i always tested as
- [...]
- reena: tbh i think risa's Si dominant, probably istj
- frog: idk if i agree (by this i mean i dont)
- reena: it contradicts w ur view that shes Ti dominant that's why, but risa's rly the most Si-dom person ive seen lol a lot of organization n past recollection work, a lot of stiffness which comes from liking routine n familiarity. si is a more past-oriented view of the world and both ni and ne are more future-oriented (ni is intuition at its purest u can say bc it comes from gut feeling, ne draws from external stimulus)
- me: ok i read the isfj one and reena is right that it hits everything with my sentimentality and routine comfort but i still dunno about this aksjdk i guess I'm just not sure what aspects of my personality actually define me the most
- frog: thats valid.. and more proof that u dont have fi
- me: why
- reena: fi is a function that's best characterized by being able to know ones own feelings without having to ponder over it. it's like being super well attuned to ur own feelings, a strong moral compass. "i feel this way. i dont need/have a reasoning behind this feeling i just know this is how i feel". tho i wouldnt say just bc ur not like that doesnt mean u dont have it in ur stack, the efficiency of the last two functions in ur stack depends on how well uve developed them. there are ppl w Fi as tertiary and inferior functions who actually might struggle a bit more than ppl who actually dont have it bc it's a function that they subconsciously use but are not able to constantly access
- me: in conclusion i know none of my functions!
- reena: HFHSUFD risa i think ur for sure to have Si in ur stack (and im p sure it's dominant). u wouldnt be spending a whole hr recounting events on twtlonger if u werent
- frog: ok let me just say right now despite all of this tumbling and running in circles we are doing in my head i'm still thinking athat ur an istj
- as ur friend and also as ur friend who has been around u irl more than once everything points more to istj to me
- like i get that ur a people pleaser and u care about what people think but that's a normal human trait and from what I see u don't have the very strong fe vibes. u go about living ur life the way you want to that sits right with u (i mean correct me if any of what im saying is wrong) and that's an fi thing
- also I can think of more examples of u not being fe-y: when we were in toronto and we were playing card games but u were busy having fun on twitter and didn't want to join us for like a long time bc u didn't feel like it even tho we kept bothering u (NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST U)
- when we went bowling in chicago but u really didn't want to and were not enthusiastic about it (that was u right. iirc) (also again not holding it against u i love u)
- someone with high fe would be trying a lot harder to keep up appearances in the group even if it went against what they felt like
- so I do not get the fe vibes. and that is MY final verdict it is up to u whether u want to agree with me or not jkasdsaksadj
- me: ooh i c what u mean
- me: i act different arnd ppl im comfortable with and strangers i think with strangers or like school acquaintances i try very hard to fit in and not make waves but if i don't like something it's true i will just refuse to do it
- me: omg even to add on to ur examples when i refused to paint in megan's book because i can't draw
- frog: hHZHJJHH
- frog: LOLL I FORGOT
- me: there's more i think but this is probably enough alskdjclkjslkdjflskdjflkjsd
- frog: JSKDSDJKLSAD
- frog: ok
- frog: final answer: istj. let us not doubt this again
- me: I THINK WE PROBABLY WILL DOUBT THIS AGAIN
- frog: i have reached a certain degree of certainty that i will not doubt it again
ISTJ BY THE FUNCTIONS
Si Te Fi Ne
Si: Dominant function is introverted sensing. I compare current experiences to past ones. I am very detail oriented and can notice a change from what was there before easily. I value systems and tend towards tradition or established norms, and find it easier to do things when i have done them routinely. Every item i have is associated with a memory and my own feelings, which makes it harder to let go of what I have and am used to.
I used to keep an online journal of all my thoughts so I could go back and read them later. Now I use twitter to achieve the same purpose and only use the diary for really personal feelings. I really value being able to search through a database of past work to see what I did or felt (that journal, my twitter archive, my school notes from the last 4 years, letters from friends, saved chats). I'm not super neat because I'm lazy but I do well if I know where I put things, so when I do organize my room I make sure to place things practically and utilize labels to make sure I return things to where they belong. I have a really hard time throwing things away and I find it really hard to have the courage to leave home and family because I am so used to living this way. I'm super uncomfortable going to a new place for the first time, and I always ask people with experience doing something what it was like so that I can be prepared. I hate being caught off-guard because I'm not very good at improvising. An example of a job I idealize is quality checking, which is about having a set of standards that you need to make sure the current product lives up to.
Te: Auxiliary function is extroverted thinking. I take in data and analyze it to reach conclusions. I value efficiency and getting things done, even at the expense of total accuracy.
I keep a checklist of the assignments i need to do and I am the most overwhelmed when there's a lot left to do. The way I cope with this is accomplishing the easiest work first, so that I can cross it off the list. I also love setting up systems or excel spreadsheets so that if done correctly, data can be inputted the same way each time and be processed quickly. I also have a habit of micromanaging other people LOL it's because I want them to do things...
Fi: Tertiary function is introverted feeling. I know what I feel and make decisions based on that - I will not compromise for the sake of the group.
This is harder to pinpoint, but like in the examples from my trip with frog it really seems to come down to knowing what the bounds of my personal comfort are and acting within them? Like I know what situations I'm best in and will try to avoid doing anything else. In general I am a people-pleaser/I find it really stressful to think that someone won't like me or that I've hurt someone else, although I think there is an element of pride in this too. I would rather give up something I want than cause conflict or make someone else unhappy, and I don't want to be selfish, but I rationalize this by saying that what I'm losing isn't that bad and what I will have left is still good.
Ne: Inferior function is extroverted intuition. This is my weakest function - Ne is about imagining new possibilities and creativity, wanting new experiences.
I rarely want new experiences LOL. I like traveling a lot for vacation and being able to try new foods, but the thought of upending my life to live somewhere new is still terrifying. I couldn't do a job where I had to travel 24/7. My creativity is uhhh lacking LOL, I think you can really see this in the limited situations where I have to draw something. Whenever I doodled in class it would literally just be the same basic things that I knew how to draw (pine trees, palm trees, very tangible and basic objects). I made so many fortune tellers and origami lilies because it's just the exact same folds every time. This is not to say that I'm not creative at all because as a kid I did sooo many arts and crafts (beading, scrapbooking) and I also did some design work for the newspaper and magazine at school but I think you can tell with the choice of what I did that I like to have something tangible to work off of and that I really struggle to imagine new designs out of thin air. In my writing, I absolutely cannot write brand-new stories or fantasy, most of what I write is based on personal experiences or feelings and day-to-day actions.
General ISTJ-isms: I am very past-oriented in general and am really obsessed with how things used to be. I hate open-ended assignments and I work better with details than with the big picture. That question always tripped me up as a middle schooler until I realized it myself (are you better with big picture or small details? it's absolutely the details). I really like to do crosswords (Si: memory recall, Te: logical strategies, Ne: make connections and experiment with possibilities) although I'm a slow learner, and something like Spelling Bee (given 7 letters, form as many words as you can) is really hard and I suspect that's because of my horrible Ne. I just cannot reach into the void and pull out all the possibilities... I'm the type who when given a problem with lots of options has to write down every possible combination algorithmically to test them which is obviously not an efficient way to play that game. I'm pretty sure that crossword clues rely harder on Si! I also like logic grid puzzles and LSAT logic games so much, which is again playing with a limited set of possibilities and ruling them out in order. LSAT ones are way harder tho because they can have infinite possibilities and theoretically you have to narrow them down/make connections in a limited amt of time. But they're really fun :)
Resources:
Type in Mind
Practical Typing
OTHER SIMILAR CHARACTERS
I love reading Personality Database comments! u have to take them with a grain of salt because some people do not know what they're talking about either but it's fun to see the types people give characters, especially/only if they give actual evidence. Honestly this has been the biggest help for me learning the functions, I have been visiting this website occasionally for a while but as time goes on the discourse gets better and more reliable LOL
ISTJ (Si-Te) is most similar to ISFJ (Si-Fe) and ESTJ (Te-Si) and I found that a lot of characters I like are these personality types. Not all but many!
1. I really love Annie Edison from Community (likely ISFJ) and have always overidentified with her... she's really organized and driven, has everything "planned out", always wants to get things done both for grades and for the committees she works for, but also cares a lot about her friends to the point where she'd sabotage their grades just so they could stay in the same study group T___T --> hates it when things change. This quote will always stick with me forever:
Troy: You're a fierce competitor and a sore loser. And you expect everybody to be better than who they are and you expect yourself to be better than everyone.
It's from an episode where she freaks out about borrowing a fake ID and getting caught so she makes up a life story about the girl on the ID and pretends to be her at the bar, only to realize that she doesn't know who she really is.
2. Hyojung (ESFJ) is my actual omgeol bias but Binnie (ISFJ) is the one that I overidentify with. I wrote this document 2 yrs ago on all the little Binnie-isms that I love but to take the main points, she's really obsessed with staying organized. She sorts her socks by color and freaks out when they're not in order LMAOOO girl also literally said one of her weaknesses is that she "isn't adaptable enough", and for her strength "thanks to my personality being thorough and not liking to hurt others, I'm good at keeping promises" also if that wasn't enough she's iconic for saying she's a dried fish (= no interest in dating) <3 also she said she would confess first but has never liked someone enough to <3 also for my reference frog's omgeol mbti post
3. In One Piece for example, there are a lot of ISTJ and ISFJ characters who are in the navy (ex. Smoker and Tashigi), and that makes sense because Si-doms really thrive under structure which is what the navy is all about (even though it's corrupt). I think the good ones are interested in "changing it from the inside" so to speak. Pirates live very carefree in comparison! This is an interesting case because those two work as a team, and stereotypically it seems that ISFJ characters are really kindhearted sweet people and ISTJs are cold and mean asdkfjldf and that def shows with them
4. Some other misc. characters for my own reference:
ISTJ: sayaka (kakegurui), nene & hisako (shokugeki), kyouka (bsd), riza hawkeye (fmab), peko (dr2).... megumi (jjk), kageyama (hq)
ISFJ: pam (the office), yaoyorozu (bnha).... megumi (shokugeki), yachi (hq)
ESTJ: kunikida (bsd), nobara & maki (jjk)
ESFJ: midori (tamako market), cher (clueless)
hmm and we have tsukki and todoroki who might both be intj... omg i looked up anne of green gables who i really adore and she is xnfp and tbh I think I was like her when I was younger (way more imaginative and stubborn). jun (seventeen) is also xnfp, both leaning enfp (ne fi te si)
also saving this thread of svt pd comments here because jeonghan is xsfj